Environmentalists say the “Craziest Things.”

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April 14, 2011 by Ron Madson

Environmentalists say the “Craziest Things”

“Global warming is malarkey…the idea that we human beings have any power over nature is absolute absurdity.”   Rush Limbaugh Show, 9/9/2004

It is high time that we expose the lunatic fringe environmentalists in our nation who have the belief that nature can be affected by our exercising our right to consume the bounty of this world that God has given us as his chosen nation.   Some of these wackos claim that our fast food chains result in intensive demand for meat which in turn leads to deforestation.  Our children can’t even enjoy their Happy Meal without guilt!  They claim we are polluting our atmosphere leading to global warming and consequential flooding—but I ask have they ever watched ice in a glass melt?  Has anyone ever seen it rise and spill over the glass?  They have the arrogance to actually believe that our ever accelerating consumerism such as spending more on such things as cosmetics (or pet food, perfumes, X boxes, etc) each year in the U.S. then most third world nations do on food consumption leads to depletion of “limited” natural resources and pollutions at an irreversible rate. Then socialist organizations like the World Health Organization make irresponsible claims that 3 million people are killed worldwide annually from outdoor air pollution. Yet can they produce even one certified death certificate stating the cause of death being “outdoor air pollution”?   Then there is the offshore oil drilling leading to oil spills.   Everyone was in a panic during the Gulf of Mexico “disaster” but there has not been even one cruise ship cancellation since the spill, and as one leading expert informed us:  “The ocean will take care of this on its own.  It’s  (the oil) as natural as the ocean water is.”  Then there is the whole extinction of species thing.  What is a few species lost compared to the tens of millions that remain?

It is incredibly arrogant for us puny little humans to think that we can destroy the ozone, deplete natural resources, pollute massive oceans, and harm the plant and animal kingdoms.   To believe that our acts of consumerism or mismanagement could affect nature is like making claims that a BB gun could take down an elephant.  All I can say after reviewing all the evidence is that for environmentalists and social progressives to even suggest that us humans and our behavior affects nature is just illogical.  And yet they have no hesitation in saying  the craziest things to promote their agenda.

Fortunately, some of the wisest among us who have pointed out the foolishness of even considering that we can affect nature through consumption, drilling and pollutions, have been able to tell us what we do that REALLY causes nature to harm us:   Hurricane Katrina—abortions and too many not believing in God;  Indonesian Tsunami—clearly this was caused by their bad behavior because nearly every faith had cited several reasons why God chose to destroy 250,000 people all at once: Christian leaders claimed it was to punish “pleasure seekers”; those who “broke the Sabbath”; “tourists having unlawful sex”; and the Indonesian’s failure to convert to Christianity; while an official statement from a leading Muslim Inman recognized the failure of the Muslim communities there to “pray five times a day” as bringing up that nation God’s wrath.  And while God may be slow at times in sending a message through natural disasters, he does not forget— we learned from Pat Robertson that the devastating earthquake in Haiti was connected to a “pact with the devil” that the Haitians made in the 1800s when they revolted against the French colonialism.  So how could we also not see God’s hand in the Japanese Tsunami?  Glenn Beck, global warming debunker, morality savant, and one having the common sense to know that we humans cannot through consumption or pollutions affect the planet,  knew that there was a connection between the Japanese tsunami and what he called the “stuff  we’re doing.”  He articulated the causation of the tsunami so clearly, that we need to cite his very words:

“Whether you call it Gaia, or whether you call it Jesus, there’s a message being sent and that is, “Hey, you know that stuff we’re doing?  Not really working out real well.  Maybe we should stop doing some of it.”



Brilliant!  Now, the Japanese just need to take careful note of the “stuff we’re doing” and once “we” stop doing “some of it” then they can avoid the next disaster—they or whoever else God wants to punish in order to send “us” a message.   And if God is not sure we are hearing his message of “love and warning” through other means, he sends the “voice of waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds” so that we and those who lost their children or are dying of radiation can be sure to know of God’s “love” and goodness. (Elder Holland, General Conference, April, 2011).

Now knowing that it is God that orchestrates natural disasters what have the leading God experts taught are the principles that govern natural disasters?

First, that it is sin—my sins, your sins, their sins, someone or some collective sins that causes natural disasters;

Second, that to keep us all on our toes and good behavior, God does not tell us “who” he is going to punish, when He is going to strike, or for what specific reasons. Then when the disaster comes we are not really sure whether it is all, some or even only a few of the persons being crushed, mutilated, swept out to sea that were the sinners OR if it is God’s purpose to target innocent men, women and children’s to serve as a warning to the sinners who caused the disaster that “they” need to repent?   So it is like a roulette wheel where someone or some subset of people’s sins have spun the wheel, but where the little “disaster” ball lands no one knows. But when it does we are required to make the connections to whatever sins we can identify—mostly in “others.”  And to make it even more interesting the spun ball can bounce and land in the most unexpected places as when Jerry Falwell and his church saw a hurricane heading for Orlando and easily connected it to a previous Gay Day at Disney World only to have the hurricane suddenly shift and hit Falwell’s hometown church in Virginia—of course still being an effective warning to the all the gays in Orlando to cut it out.

And third, while it is seldom clear, if at all, before the fact what specific sins caused the natural disaster, that is the spiritual genius of God’s plan because then we can identify each and every sin as “the” causative factor—a school board in Kentucky allowing “Catcher in the Rye” to remain in their library and you get a tornado in Topeka; banning the Ten Commandment plaque in Alabama and you get a Hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico; not enough Japanese converting from Buddhism to Christianity and you get a really big tsunami.   Fortunately, we have the oracles that can readily connect the disaster to not listening to God in some respect, even though the same oracles themselves either did not hear, before the fact, any voice telling them to warn anyone of the impending disaster, or they thought it best to keep it a secret until after the fact in order for the disaster to have its’ maximum affect in sending us a message.

How can I apply this for myself and my family?   My mother used to tell us kids, “Now eat all your food—there are starving children in India.”  I couldn’t make the connection before logically, but now it all makes sense.  If I did not stuff every morsel of food on my plate, that somehow my ingratitude had a direct correlation to God sending locusts or droughts to India to keep those children in starvation to send me (the center of the universe) a message to quit being ungrateful.   However, from what I hear the children of India are not starving like they used to as we have obviously done our part in having our nation’s children clean their plate and still have room for two desserts.  So now what?  Identify the sin(s) of your children, neighbors, community, or even your nation (commission or omission) and when you see a disaster of biblical proportions proclaim in all soberness that that particular sin has caused God to bury those school children in some far away place under a suffocating rubble to send a message of “love and warning” to do our Home Teaching or the Spanish Fork 41st ward deacons to quit looking at that playboy magazine they found—or whatever “stuff they are doing.”

So the next time you hear some wild-eyed tree-hugging environmentalist tell you that our expanding waistlines and the our nation’s ever expanding consumption of the world’s resources affects in any way nature, tell them that such talk is patently absurd, and that it is sins—bad thoughts, evil words, non-beliefs, drinking coffee, cheating on a test, gays wanting to get married, not attending your meetings, and/or any sin you can think of at the time that is causing nature to become disruptive and even deadly.    Now that is not “crazy talk” but a sound understanding of how natural disasters are set in motion.

Ron Madson

4/11/2011

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27 thoughts on “Environmentalists say the “Craziest Things.”

  1. gomw says:

    Great piece, Ron, but how can you possibly dispute the “ice melting in the glass” manifestation? I feel relieved to know that I’m not actually coughing on those misnamed smoggy days.

    • Ron Madson says:

      Gomw,
      Yes, once the “ice melting in a glass” was my own personal Isaac Newton gravity moment. I should get some Nobel prize for the discovery—kind of like Obama got a Peace Prize.

  2. Joseph says:

    A fun satire, though I’m not in entire agreement with the context of how Holland’s talk was used.

    I just don’t anticipate conference being a forum that environmentalism is going to be addressed in detail. A scripture that comes to mind is:

    26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward. (D&C 58:26)

    Yes, it would be nice if it would be acknowledged (as it once was) that greed and excessive consumption are sins that have direct physical consequences, but I’ve stopped holding my breath.

    The quote given from Beck was interesting. When did he say that? I’m not surprised. Of course, his statement is at complete variance with what actual LDS Church leaders have said, and shows more about Beck than it does about the LDS Church.

    Again, though, I did have fun reading this. I guess it’s just the Scandinavian/German genes that come from my mother that compel me to try and address what I don’t agree with sometimes.

    • Ron Madson says:

      Joseph,

      I am not entirely sure what Elder Holland meant to say but the implication was fairly strong that he is referring to the tsunami in his address and linking it to God sendings messages of “love and warning.” The tone was nice but the content really was no different, IMO, then Glenn Beck’s message here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLDYIy6Epdc&feature=fvwrel

      Frankly, we can debate degree of influence our behavior has on the planet–and reasonable minds can disagree. What I wanted to expose is how the same individuals/groups that totally discount “our” behavior as affecting nature that might have an actual, scientific, verifiable link are, on the other hand, willing to connect “our” sin behavior to affecting nature. The problem with the later is there is no way to measure it and frankly it is, IMO, a very poor and ineffective way to get a message across considering the degree of collateral damage to innocents and then the after the fact taking, IMO, the Lord’s name in vain to push or moral/religious agenda.

      On a serious note, the words of Christ really answer this effectively IMO. It “rains on the just and the unjust” and repeatedly He taught to not judge the person or the parents or anyone for any affliction–just we are in mortality and bad stuff happens so let’s not “judge so ye be not judged” and just help and cut out all the carping and blame game.

      • Joseph says:

        Good points, but I still don’t see what you are seeing in Elder Holland’s talk. However, I suppose you are likely trying to see it the way Inter-Mountain West ultra-conservative Mormons see it, so it does work well in that sense for this satire. I just have trouble getting into that mind-set I guess.

        In terms of the main message, I do agree. I have certainly witnessed great harm come from pornography addiction, but I haven’t ever seen it cause lung cancer. Smoking causes that.

        I’ve never understood why we of the LDS faith spend so much time talking about taking care of our bodies, and then somehow fail to see that our bodies are part of the whole ecosystem of the earth. Ecology and environmentalism are really the of Word of Wisdom for the whole earth, which then affects our health. It’s useless to abstain from tobacco and alcohol if you’re living in a brown haze caused by pollution!

      • justin says:

        Ron:

        I’m with you on your interpretation of what Holland stated. Here is the pertinent excerpt:

        “Brothers and sisters, in general conference we offer our testimonies in conjunction with other testimonies that will come, because one way or another God will have His voice heard. “I sent you out to testify and warn the people,” the Lord has said to His prophets. 15

        “[And] after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, … of thunderings, … lightnings, and … tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds. …

        “And angels shall … [cry] with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God.” 16

        Now, these mortal angels who come to this pulpit have, each in his or her own way, sounded “the trump of God.” Every sermon given is always, by definition, both a testimony of love and a warning, even as nature herself will testify with love and a warning in the last days.”

        I’m not sure how we can get around the notion/assumption that (a) those speaking from the pulpit are at least some of the angels noted in the scripture and (b), most importantly, Holland specifically states that his testimony (and those given in conference) are those which will be followed by the earthquakes, etc.

        I’d be interested in how some others dissect this part of the talk to suggest that Holland was alluding to what I’m reading above. And, it should be noted that this verse in the D&C has been mentioned in other conferences and in similar ways (Oaks in 2004 and Hinckley in 2005).

      • Ron Madson says:

        Justin,

        I agree with your agreeing with me….It is fairly plain that Elder Holland is referring to himself/others at the “pulpit” as messengers/angels giving messages of “love and warning” through nature if necessary.
        So let’s assume that a message from God was being sent through the Japanese tsunami or through the one in Indonesia–or take your pick where tens of thousands perish—old, young, children, women, good and bad people—whole spectrum.

        Here is my sincere question. Who is the message being sent to? What is the content of the message?

        What I write below is not directed to you but my using this as a springboard to take off the satire mask and try to speak more directly.

        To be more specific, I see a picture of a young Japanese mother looking into a demolished vehicle screaming in terror as she finds her young infant daughter dead/mutilated. I see another mother praying over a rubble where her children were buried. I see a classroom of children waiting for their parents to show up—that will never come to pick them up. Tell me exactly how do these grieving parents and lost children learn of God’s love IF in fact God “did this.?”

        Tell me, what is communicated to you by those scenes? To those children? Their parents?

        The BOM says it is not from God “save it be plain.” There is nothing plain or clear to me personally in all these wholesale, indiscriminate destruction of life.

        Here is what I believe. I believe that much of the OT warnings like many tribal narratives are men taking God’s name in vain to explain the unexplainable. Fine, but then the Son of Man comes and as Nephi told us when “HE” comes His words will tell us the real scope and trump all the other opinions and words even of the “prophets” or those that claim to speak for God.

        The Son of Man comes and says what? “It rains on the just and the unjust.” He tells us to “judge not so that ye be not judged.” He says things like the “curse” of sickness, blindness, etc. are NOT the sins of the parents or even the person who is afflicted. Shit just happens, so the Son of God shows us how to treat such things–love, mercy and compassion and without judgment or accusatory finger. He never invites through fear but through persuasion and charity. He does not make everyone around him fear God but to see that God is Himself a victim of the same ravages of a fallen world and He invites us to simply have compassion.

        So what do we do? Well, we easily fall back into the OT vocabulary when we see bad things happen either individually or wholesale. We try to find cause/effect and blame someone or something. Frankly, I believe we sometimes fall back into taking God’s name in vain and say it is His work and His wonder. We also pick our agenda/cause and say “See if you had only not sinned or accepted God’s message through us the “angels/servants” and did what we say or want you to do, then that classroom of five years olds would not have been buried, suffocating under the rubble.

        The other problem is that is simply is not plain. Why was it done–be specific? For whom? And where were the servants/angels connecting the dots beforehand? When did they warn specifically as the prophets of old in the OT that would enter a city and give specific warning (according to legends). Heck, I would dare say there were no warnings specifically—just after the fact messing with our minds.

        I see no love, no compassion, no plainness in these disasters if in fact God orchestrated it. I see no real warnings. In fact, even in the world of law we are required as a matter of justness before we exercise eminent domain or take anything from anyone we have to give specific warnings/notice with timetables. You would think God and his “angels” would be as generous and specific?

        No, it just happens. And Jesus shows us how to react and not judge. But we can’t seem to help ourselves from the half-prepared lesson in EQ and HP to the highest pulpit in our faith. It is simply the way of the world IMO.

        I could be wrong. I hope I am not, because if I am not then that tells me something about God that I really do not admire and I would put him on trial…..for severe parental abuse. I see no reason why we should any longer defend the fabricated “vengeful” god of the OT when the real God of this world showed up and showed us what He is really like and not how we make Him in our judgmental, brutal, accusatory image.

      • John says:

        Ron:

        I totally and completely agree with you. I was merely raising issue with someone who said they didn’t see what Holland was saying as referring to these sorts of messages. In Holland’s words, I see the exact opposite, unfortunately: I see someone grandstanding (probably too strong a word) and using the tragedy to add strength to his/her message and further entrench members who already stand upon their rameumptoms each Fast Sunday – it engenders more pride for being “the chosen ones”.

        I just watched “Hereafter” with Matt Damon. Decent movie with a good message. The opening scenes were of the tsunami from 2004-ish, and about a boy who lost his twin brother to senseless, unexplainable acts. I think it’s incredibly unfornunate for us to play armchair QBs reveling in others disasters, stating that they are sent from God as divine judgments. The only quibble I might have with you is that I’ve been told that suffering does (or can) bring us closer to God – that in our misery, we can feel his love. That by being broken down on a personal level can the divine facilitate messages of love and learning in our lives.

        Interestingly, I’ve come to many of your viewpoints about the vengeful God of the OT. There are many stories/interpretations in that book (and other scriptures) which reflect more a God seen by others than a God as s/he really is. In other words, personal interpretations leak through the pages, and it happens with MANY “prophets”.

        I’ve come to LOVE Wayne Jacobsen’s words. He’s a non-denominational Christian author who writes frequently on God’s love and he’s been the inspiration behind many of my changing views. Two books he wrote have had a wonderful effect on me:

        He Loves Me!
        So You Don’t Want to Go to Church Anymore!

        Ignore the title of that last one if you’re addicted to church, the message in the book isn’t so much about leaving church as it is about leaving behind religious guilt and religious obligation for the love of God and love of Christ. I honestly can’t recommend those books enough. They can be found here – both are available for free .pdf downloads (maybe Deseret Book should take the hint).

        Though you’re already there, Ron, I might recommend them to you.

      • Ron Madson says:

        John,

        I believe we see eye to eye on the points you made. What I believe you and I are trying to express is a “christ” centered approach to sacred scriptures/text–everything must filter through His words and narrative/teachings/ legends, etc. that are inconsistent with His words are highly suspect—as they should be.

        I really enjoyed the movie “Hereafter” –a lot. Saw it three times. Matt Damon’s character was very believable to me—and the opening scene with the tsunami is powerful.

        I will order the books you mentioned. thanks. As I may have expressed in previous comments/posts, I believe that “church” , any church, and in particular our faith community’s church is a wonderful tool and means to attempt to achieve certain ends. However, I see it as a means and not an end in and of itself. I drive my car everyday to get places and and attempt to do good—transport myself and others, visit my elderly mother, etc. etc. I greatly need and appreciate my car but I do not worship either my car nor its’ image—it has a necessary and valuable functionality.

        I like to divide up what some call “the church” into three categories: a 501 3 (c) corporation; a “church” and then there is the “Kingdom of God.” We confuse and conflate the three with each other. The corporate aspect which has grown and dominated IMO policies and everyday operations more and more with the passing years. Corporations engage in corporate behavior and it is simply a tool of the “church; the “church” is amalgamation of entities/structures that like the corporation is also a tool to do what? Create people that are fit to enter what Jesus called “The Kingdom of God.” Jesus did not IMO say my “Kingdom” consists of such and such corporations/structures/ and He did not outline an organization profile–that came later after He was gone. Rather He described a quality of persons that those that become part of His Kingdom have: they are those that live consistent with his teachings—love all including enemies; merciful, pacifist essentially, etc. etc. In the end IMO the only issue is whether I/you/we are “kingdom” like people—we either are or we are not. Elder Robbins in last general conference gave a very profound talk on this subject—it is about “being” and not just “doing.” I can do all a church, our church requires but still be a self-absorbed narcissistic pharisee that despises the poor, grinds the face of the “others’ and hates my enemies–and everyone is my enemy who does not think and act as I do. I have grown very weary of hearing “the CHURCH is true.” It is becoming increasingly irrelevant to me to hear that or I am certain that it does not mean the same thing to those that seem a need to parrot that constantly. On the other hand, I can be a Buddhist, JW, or heaven forbid a Muslim and have the “pure love of Christ in my heart and deeds and if so I believe such a person is in fact part of the Kingdom of God. Isaiah said it best when describing the final kingdom: “FOR MORE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE THEN THE MARRIED WIFE” in that final kingdom. And they will come from “north,south, east and west”. Jesus of Nazareth understood this. He told those that held the legal authority of the priesthood that these sinners, publicans, samaritans, losers will “enter the kingdom before you will.”

        anyway, this is going too long and maybe should be initiated by another post, but I am less and less interested in someone telling me they have some nugget of truth or truths or that they have the nicest or “truest” car or church but rather tell and show me if you are a sheep or goat as described in Matthew 25—do you have compassion for the least or not? Do you serve the least and give them voice or do you simply have an “us v. them” mentality on everything–do you simply use, as CS Lewis expressed so well, your “church” and its image for self aggrandizement and to constantly reinforce your “chosenness” over all creation—being chosen you see all things and people subjugated to “your” ends/desires as is manifest in wars of aggression because you see “god on your side” to despising/grinding the face of those in your own community—the very, very least whether it is illegal immigrants (our version of Samaritans); Muslims; non-mormons; and even those who have the misfortune of same sex attraction.

        Church can be used for good or for evil–just as a car can. I can drive my car to do much good or I can plow down the street honking my horn for all to get out the way, blaring my music and gloating in my shiny, new vastly superior car and running over anyone that gets in my way—all the time indifferent to my environment and all on the side of the road. Like you I see and sense much of the later at least in the mormon corridor where I live. this web site exists as a push back to what I perceive as a large, boisterous majority here that endorse wars of aggression, despise the poor in a myriad of ways, grind the face of the poor, uninsured (try getting medical help without insurance); condemn illegal aliens, and any that are “others.” Then proclaim loudly “we are true” and have “truth.” Whatever that means.

        IMO no church is eternal and it morphs all the time as it should (the BOM demonstrates that well) –the only thing that is eternal is our intelligences/souls and relationships—that’s it—. Something is “true” only to extent it moves us toward being more like Jesus of Nazareth who embodies the perfect prototype. Mormonism has many truths/elements that speak to us to be stewards and emulate christ, but it also can and is used as a platform much like those who Lehi saw in a great and spacious building “pointing a finger of scorn” to the suffering “losers” such as those that are victims of disasters, illegal immigrants, poor, etc. etc. …..the City Creek mall (billions to create an edifice for the well connected and pretty people) being like the COB literally dwarfing the temple grounds. So we chose how to use and interpret our “mormonism” and our “church.” How we interpret it and use it IMO determines whether it is “true” or rather good. The jury is still out and even in doubt (see 3 Nephi 16 and Mormon 8 warnings to us).

      • Forest Simmons says:

        John rightly compared our attitude with that of the Zoramites who had just run down the beggar Korihor with their chariots (thanks for the image of the modern equivalent, Ron). For reference here is an excerpt from Alma 31:

        Alma 31:21 Now the place was called by them Rameumptom, which, being interpreted, is the holy stand.

        22Now, from this stand they did offer up, every man, the selfsame prayer unto God, thanking their God that they were chosen of him, and that he did not lead them away after the tradition of their brethren, and that their hearts were not stolen away to believe in things to come, which they knew nothing about.

        23Now, after the people had all offered up thanks after this manner, they returned to their homes, never speaking of their God again until they had assembled themselves together again to the holy stand, to offer up thanks after their manner.

        24Now when Alma saw this his heart was grieved; for he saw that they were a wicked and a perverse people; yea, he saw that their hearts were set upon gold, and upon silver, and upon all manner of fine goods.

        25Yea, and he also saw that their hearts were lifted up unto great boasting, in their pride.

        26And he lifted up his voice to heaven, and cried, saying: O, how long, O Lord, wilt thou suffer that thy servants shall dwell here below in the flesh, to behold such gross wickedness among the children of men?

        27Behold, O God, they cry unto thee, and yet their hearts are swallowed up in their pride. Behold, O God, they cry unto thee with their mouths, while they are puffed up, even to greatness, with the vain things of the world.

        28Behold, O my God, their costly apparel, and their ringlets, and their bracelets, and their ornaments of gold, and all their precious things which they are ornamented with; and behold, their hearts are set upon them, and yet they cry unto thee and say—We thank thee, O God, for we are a chosen people unto thee, while others shall perish.

      • John says:

        Ron:

        Where does CS Lewis discuss the point you mentioned about churching and self aggrandizement? Would love to read that.

        I thank my lucky stars that I’m slowly having my eyes opened regarding those moments where we love being right, where we love being the chosen ones, the “true” ones, etc. I find it ironic how we couch the language we use – i.e. “I know this Church is true, and if you bring what you have to us we’ll add to it,” etc, and how we know the truthfulness about the church with “every fiber of our beings.” It’s bizarre.

        For the last 2.5 years or so, I’ve lost all interest in even knowing if the church is “true”. In fact, I’m not even convinced that I know what “true” means in that context, but I do like your note on the truthfulness being that of bringing us closer to Christ. Outside that, what does “true” even mean anymore? Does the average LDS member who bears their testimony once in a while about belonging to the “true” church really know what “true” means in that context? As for me, I (a) don’t think it is true in the sense you mentioned, but (b) don’t think it matters. It is a vessel, but nothing more. A means to an end, but not the end itself.

        My stumbling comes when my wife totally and completely LOVES the truthfulness. She’s on a completely different path than I am (Romans 14) and goes out of her way to make sure I know of my apostate state with regards to the church.

        Whereas I quite like the scriptures that state that we “talk of Christ, we preach of Christ, …”, we simply can’t say that today. If anything, as noted previously, it’s “we talk of Church, we preach of the Prophet, … ” and on we go merrily along the way.

        That being said, I listed to a podcast by Jacobsen just this last week that talked about our yearning to be among “like-minded” people, and he cautioned against it because it’s merely another way of getting us to think we’re better than others. We should, therefore, search out “like-hearted” individuals whose hearts are turned toward Christ, even if their ideas on life don’t mesh with ours. I think I’ve fallen into the trap of seeking out too many “like-minded” people to reinforce my belief system – something the Church does by itself – rather than searching out people who can help me reach the point where I can confidently say I agree with Jeremiah 31:31-34.

        Thanks for your words, Brother. I appreciate them.

  3. Forest Simmons says:

    Hilarious and thought provoking!

  4. Forest Simmons says:

    On the serious side, the universe is a chaotic place. God has carved out some oases in it of varying degrees of safety. As part of our schooling we (god’s children)have been charged with working together to upgrade this world from a fallen telestial state to a terrestrial state.

    But we have not only ignored this charge, we are actively degrading it at an ever accelerating pace to make it less safe and more hostile to life of all kind. In other words, we continue to accelerate the fall that was precipitated by mankind’s careless stewardship and enmity in the first place.

    However, when the bad effects of natural chaos (in an unimproved telestial world cruising for outer darkness status) are amplified by our corporate malfeasance, we can always blame the weak and powerless.

    • Ron Madson says:

      Exactly! well said.
      Again, the “scapegoat” mechanism is always in play. Someone, somewhere sinned, but not me or us and rather then all take blame collectively we focus on some remote, weak and powerless who cannot respond.

  5. Gregory VanWagenen says:

    This is great writing, Bro. Madsen. Early Mormonism seemed quite sympathetic to a stewardship ideal (besides Joseph Smith, Orson Pratt gave a speech about the fragility of living in frontier Deseret and the need to appreciate water and other resources). I’d love to see the re-emergence of a Mormon conservationism (which would probably be at odds with the already entrenched Mormon conservatism – ironic though it is).

    I lived in Salt Lake City for three years when I went to school the first time. The winters were absolutely awful. The first Christmas I spent there was 1990, and I remember my girlfriend and I making special trips up the canyon to Alta and Snowbird area just so that we could have some clean air to breathe. I don’t know if it has improved. I hope so.

    • Ron Madson says:

      The air in Utah County has improved since Geneva Steel went away. Yes it is ironic that “conservatism” are the least into “conservation” of the environment.

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    • sangregorda says:

      Ron, I translated your awsome sharp satire. I’ve heard so many comments in Sunday School about tsunamis and earthquakes being sent by God because of our/their sins that I just had to. I hope you don’t mind that I did but if you do or you don’t like it the way it turned out just let me know (William has my email)and will remove it rigth away.
      Thanks a lot!

      • Ron Madson says:

        Sangregorda,

        I am flattered! Thank you for translating it. I also bristle at such comments. I admire your skill in translating. I do not speak Spanish, but I am sure it is excellent work. Does satire translate very easily from one language and culture to another? I once wrote a satire and someone from Sweden wrote back angrily assuming I was serious.

        Anyway, translate away anytime and anything. thanks

        ron

  7. Melinda says:

    As far as the message being sent, the increase of natural disasters is a sign to all the world of the last days. It was prophesied multiple times in ancient scripture, with no indicator other than predating the Second Coming as to their meaning or cause. Yes, the wicked are getting more wicked in this last dispensation, but that cannot invoke a natural disaster; it is simply the principle that for each obedience/sin there is a law/consequence predicated upon them.

    The judgement from the far right has stumped me. This is Christian? This is fellowship and charitable outreach to fellow brothers and sisters who are suffering?

    Thanks for the discussion. It’s nice to know like-minded, righteous LDS are out there.

    • Ron Madson says:

      Melinda,

      Well said, I just read a quote from the Salvation Army that I echoes your sentiments:

      “Combating natural disasters with Acts of God” —Salvation Army

      thank you for your contribution here.

  8. this is awful my science teacher is so right….. this is the kind of article that sank titanic yes human ignorance sank the titanic. despicable i dare say. human disaster will strike again but on a much greater scale. (pardon my grammar i am quite rifled or trifflied what ever word is it) it happened with the amazon. are you saying our scientists are bunch of liars. are you saying that those who made this world so much tightly packed and linked. could you send an message or post whatever you want to say and access this from miles and miles away? if scientists never existed we would still be stuck in the dark ages ravaged by wars and diseases, which might be a better life then now. better when life was so much simpler. theses things can not happen as we would be too stupid to do anything. stupidity is what religion loves as it is the most easily manipulate. its not a bad thing . but chances are one day your kids will be either saying either “what are you stupid? why did you put us in this mess?”

    7 is supposed to be a good number you made the colors of the rainbow 7 colors. yet there are also 7 sins why not 8? ignorance should be a sin. ignorance was the ending of many a stories. a small cold make break into a fever and then death. a small bite from a mosquito may carry malaria, a terrible disease. ignorance is ignored global warming is believed to be a hoax and yet that itself is a sin for example this story i got from Yahoo Answer whether ignorance is a sin “An example I can think of is if a woman does not know that her husband is abusing her children she is ignorant and that’s not a sin but then one of her children tells her what’s happening and she calls them a liar and chooses to not believe, at this point she becomes as much of a sinner as her husband.” the scientists are the children, you, the Christians are the woman and the husband is global warming. if this story is true and it is a sin then correct me if i am wrong. i believe (my selfish belief) is god is lazy and just used a couple templates to make all the animals on earth. as you can see there are many examples in this in nature. For instance, viceroy butterflies bear a close resemblance to monarch butterflies. Both are golden orange with black stripes and spots. But they taste much differently from each other. Avian predators steer clear of monarch butterflies because they have a bitter quality and don’t make for an appetizing meal. Viceroys are much more palatable, but the butterfly gets passed over because of its likeness to the monarch. we must change or your teachings will go unlearn as their will be no one to learn it to. how i know? im going to be in the economy soon in roughly 2-7 years and gen y (ya that stuff) is going to be in charge

    i don’t know much about Christians all tho i went to a church around age 7 a couple of time but this is my belief and it wont be able to change nothing. you people are get into so much trouble it will impossible to get out.

    a 15 year old named Thomas

  9. Ron Madson says:

    Thomas,
    Thank you for your thoughts. I agree with much of what you said. My post called “Environmentalist say the ‘Craziest Things'” is actually a satire. In other words, I am pretending to be making fun of scientist and environmentalist when in fact I support their work and findings. I am impressed that as a 15 year old you are taking such topics so seriously. However, on the internet sometimes writers such as myself us satire to make a point. In this case that is exactly what I attempted to do. I agree that the religions that try to connect natural disasters to sins that they judge of others is wrong and ignorant as you point out. Again, come back often and let us know your thoughts.

  10. Eric Farnsworth says:

    I want to start my comment by saying ‘Bishop Madson’, but I’m thinking you’ll be uncomfortable about that. You were my childhood spiritual leader and I feel uncomfortable calling you Ron. So please forgive me for using the title I feel is most appropriate. I suppose I could use Mr. or Brother. Anyway, now you’ll know why I use Bishop, if I do.
    As I told you when I saw you last, I struggle with writing, but I will sometimes try to throw something out there, and try to make it make sense. I’m going to stretch my uneducated mind for a moment. What if, for a moment, I not limit what God can see, do, and say or even be. What if, God could see that bad things are going to happen, however they happen, even by bad forces or people…and then go to his prophet (because most people can’t hear when God speaks directly to them) and say, “this is going to happen”. But really the bad thing that happened, came about by an evil design and is the cause of something bad happening (like an earthquake). Now, all of a sudden, God gets the blame because He predicted what bad people were going to do. Maybe, just maybe, God could see what the pseudo ‘god of this world’ could have power to do, and then warn His people. Just a thought. But, what I also will not do, is limit God in his being able to destroy or testify to the wicked of the earth, one town at a time. Sodom and Gomorrah of the OT and Qur’an come to mind.
    I thank God that I ‘happened’ upon your law office. Your words on environmentalism, conservatism and prejudicism (ism’s are popular now days, so I think I just made one up) were refreshing. Sara and I are tasting the prejudice of Mormon culture by her having pink hair. But our attendance at church is not altered by it. Because our belief in God, not our belief in cultural fallacy, is the reason we attend church.
    Again, I enjoyed your blog and look forward to reading more. Thanks.

    • Eric Farnsworth says:

      Sorry, one more thing….And should we die, before our journeys through? Happy day, all is well. Why are some people so caught up with dying or with good people dying? Why are we so disturbed about good people dying when bad things happen? Should we be as concerned for those who are bad, and die? Sure it’s sad that good people leave us, but is it ‘bad’ they die? They are now done with this o so evil world and have moved into the next. As if that’s a bad thing.

    • Ron Madson says:

      Eric,
      thanks for giving your input here. Never heard the word “prejudicism” but I like it! Makes perfect sense. Also, I agree that good and bad people die–in fact we are all short term so as you said the issue is how we live before we do. Well said. As to Sarah’s hair–I think it is really cool. I like it. I should tell you that I decided some time ago to NOT wear a white shirt to church each week–even though I had for decades. I decided to provide a little color and more importantly, I wanted to make others that do not have a white shirt to know that they are not alone. Jesus was about being inclusive and not being exclusive, and never judging anyone by their exterior. Look forward to your future input.

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