Why did Obama block the photos?

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May 28, 2009 by J. Madson

We have to wonder why Obama did a 180 on releasing the photos of detainee abuse. Was it because his new general, McChrystal, over Afghanistan personally oversaw some of the worst abuses at his notorious detention center where abuse.184they bragged that the red cross would never be allowed to see what occurred and had placards posted by soldiers at the detention area advised, “NO BLOOD, NO FOUL.” The slogan reflected the saying, “If you don’t make them bleed, they can’t prosecute for it.” Apparently there was blood and many men were prosecuted.

The abuses at Camp Nama, whose acronym was: Nasty-Ass Military Area, continued despite warnings beginning in August 2003 from an Army investigator and American intelligence and law enforcement officials in Iraq. The Central Intelligence Agency was concerned enough to bar its personnel from Camp Nama that August.

The abuse was so severe – two prisoners were murdered in the course of torturing them – in this camp that even Stephen Cambone tried to shut it down. And yet it remained functioning before and after the Abu Ghraib scandal, clear irrefutable evidence that Abu Ghraib was policy.

And why wasnt the Red Cross allowed in? We have this nugget.

“Once, somebody brought it up with the colonel. ‘Will [the Red Cross] ever be allowed in here?’ And he said absolutely not. He had this directly from General McChrystal and the Pentagon that there’s no way that the Red Cross could get in: “they won’t have access and they never will. This facility was completely closed off to anybody investigating, even Army investigators.” …

We have evidence McChrystal oversaw these abuses not to mention the evidence of his coverup of Pat Tilliman’s death and mounting evidence of assasination squads commanded by McChrystal reporting directly to Cheney. But just maybe Obama did a 180 because he saw the photos.

Maj Gen Taguba has now revealed that “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency.” Specifically, one picture shows an American soldier raping a female prisoner while another shows a male translator raping a male detainee. Other photographs depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube. Another shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

This fits right in with the statements from detainees during the Abu Ghraib investigation that have now been released [warning: graphic]:

Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

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9 thoughts on “Why did Obama block the photos?

  1. Grégoire says:

    This is so depressing and disgusting I can’t believe it. My heart goes out to the victims, including the children who were raped by U.S. Servicemen. This sounds more and more like something I’d expect Hitler or Stalin to do. I’m sure many will think that’s overly dramatic, but it’s true. I never dreamt that the U.S. would stoop so low.

    My generation truly owes the world a collective debt which we will never be able to repay.

    People who don’t believe this or want another source can visit…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html

    Be warned. It’s not pleasant.

  2. J. Madson says:

    Gregory,

    you are right. This is absolutely foul and disgusting stuff. We already engage in a form of rape when we forcibly give detainees suppositories but this is beyond words.

    I think its also important to remember that much of what was done at Abu Ghraib was not bad apples but very similar to techniques authorized at the top. I dont believe they authorized rape but when you create a culture of torture, abuse, and inhumanity to others it should be no surprise when this stuff happens.

  3. J. Madson says:

    If anyone is interested and has the stomach for these sort of things, photos of this nature have already been released in the past. you can find them here. warning: very disturbing. It makes me pretty nauseous seeing this stuff.

    http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/05/photos-obama-wont-release-include-images-of-rape.html

    this stuff also reminds me of seymour hersh’s comments when he said the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

    “The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking,” the reporter told an ACLU convention last week. Hersh says there was “a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher.”

  4. Joseph says:

    I don’t have the stomach to handle it, I’ll admit up front. I’m pretty sure this stuff happens in any war. I realize I’m preaching to the choir here since I’m pretty sure most regular participants on this blog are against war, especially unnecessary ones based on lies. I think given the already morally ambiguous nature of the wars we are in this shouldn’t be surprising. Vietnam has horror stories of course, but even supposedly “good” wars like World War II aren’t completely quite so clean and good as they are often presented as. I remember reading transcripts from the last semesters Hugh Nibley (yes, good ole Nibley, I apologize for again dropping his overused name, but these were interesting) where, during the war chapters he told more about his war experiences than I’ve ever read or heard. He admitted to being shut out of interrogations because he couldn’t get mean enough. He was assigned other intelligence duties. War is an extreme situation that brings out the worst in people, not a romantic, patriotic proving ground. Of course we all know this and I’m just stating the obvious. We do seem to have hit new lows lately, though. It is sickening.

  5. theradicalmormon says:

    One point that Obama brings up is true though. He says that he can’t release the photos because it will put our troops in danger.

    I just heard a talk by a former intelligence officer who says that the torture we performed led directly to the recruitment of numerous jihadists who came to Iraq and killed US forces. His speech can be found here:

    So, does that mean we shouldn’t let the pictures go public? No! We should instead get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan yesterday and seek by every means to repair the wrongs we have perpetrated on the people of Iraq without reservation.

  6. Forest Simmons says:

    Near the end of the last struggles between the Nephites and Lamanites Mormon writes to Moroni that his troops no longer obey his orders and have become so depraved that he cannot even pray for them without fear of offending God.

    That’s how I felt when I got an email recently suggesting that once per week everybody pray for the recovery of our great economy so that America can return to its greatness.

  7. theradicalmormon says:

    America’s greatness was always a lie anyway. The only thing great about America is the secret combinations it upholds… as in great and abominable. There is no particular time in history we should be returning to. I think we need a brand new start.

  8. J. Madson says:

    It gets even worse. Now they want to pass special laws to cover up their crimes knowing full well the courts will rule against the govt. I can’t quite place it but I am sure somewhere we read about men using their power and authority to cover up their own sins. Seems like Obama is just another man in power. whether he was corrupt before or not he has quickly become corrupted.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/01/photos/index.html

  9. Forest Simmons says:

    radicalmormon,

    If we Latter-Day Saints would read Zinn’s, “People’s History,” along side of the Book of Mormon, we would have a better understanding of the secret combinations and the GABC. We might say with Pogo, “We have met the enemy, and they are us.”

    The BofM warns us to repent. But in Gospel Doctrine classes we only hear, “We must continue in righteousness.”

    One choice passage of Isaiah quoted by Nephi in 2 Ne. 20: 14 is this: “And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people; and as one gathereth eggs that are left have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.”

    The context is the USA bragging about its world dominance, just before the Lord bares his holy arm to “turn things upside down,” so that people of color all over the world can regain control of their lands and other resources, etc. in fulfillment of the covenants of the Father to their fathers.

    I think that Hugo Chavez and Hugo Morales are making positive steps in the right direction.

    J. Madson,

    you said, “I can’t quite place it but I am sure somewhere we read about men using their power and authority to cover up their own sins”

    How about D&C121:37 “That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, …”

    Also … Isa. 30: 1 “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:”

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